Peter S. Goodman

Right.

and not a factory, should have a say over what gets built in their midst.

And in a place where it's a desert, it's literally a desert, and you're worried about shortages of water, and there's already great battles over who gets access to the Colorado River and the depletion of the watershed in areas, there should be a process to figure out, you know, what are the impacts?

And a lot of these permits are...

permits under programs that represent triumphs of American democracy.

We have advanced workplace safety.

We have advanced environmental protection.

It's just that this bureaucracy has now grown up around some of these laws without us sorting out these knotty land use questions.

And I think one can be sympathetic to the argument that we have to think seriously about our national security.

security, our industrial future, and that's going to require a government role.

But that's got to be done in a thoughtful, deliberative way.

And we got a lot of catch up to do in that area.

Yeah, it's a great question.

I would say kids, don't try this at home.

I mean, like, in all seriousness—

We are tempted to look at this and say, of course, at the beginning, it's going to be messy.

It's going to be tricky.

We'll get better at this.

This is the messy beginning.

Yeah, it's the messy beginning.