Peter Van Sant

She also wrote contact psychiatrist in Dallas, suggesting she was mentally troubled with a bunch of question marks.

The prosecutors thought that Holly was trying to create a narrative about herself, potentially for her own defense.

So she was thinking of a way that she might be able to, I'm guessing, put the blame on Andrew.

I was mentally disturbed.

damaged or mentally ill at the time, and he manipulated me.

That's just a theory.

I have no idea, but that's a theory.

She needed to talk.

Sitting across from her, this was a very cathartic moment for her.

She did want to communicate that my son had been a normal boy and he had dreams and I loved him and I never saw this kind of behavior before.

And people think too, well, a personality like Andrew must have come from a bad seed somehow.

I think she also wanted the world to know I'm a normal person.

which makes this ever more haunting of how this can happen.

And looking in the depths of the human psyche, how her son could go from this terrific young man to a killer.

And she just wanted to talk about it.

Right, us against the world.

Yeah.

Lisette, you almost felt like she'd gone back in time and she was the same age, like they were dear friends.

And that was a fascinating dynamic.

But it's part of Holly's ability to manipulate things.