Petra Bagust
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first heard Apr 2026
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And I think of it as a really essential leadership quality.
Humility is not what people first associate with leadership.
And if you look around the world at the moment, it's not...
present in all of our leaders.
Is there something about humility that you discovered that surprised you?
Yes.
Humility is important because humility is, first of all, humility should not be mistaken for weakness.
Likewise, kindness.
Kindness is not niceness.
Kindness has got a steely spine to it because sometimes being kind can be having a
courageous conversation with someone about the way they might be behaving and their impact they're having on others because kindness is about helping people be better and sometimes that requires pointing out to them things that they may not be aware of or they might be aware of but they're ignoring the impact on others so kindness has got a steel to it and humility does as well humility is about
recognizing your own limitations and being open to being better yourself so listening to people
caring about people, asking for advice in the case of when you're in the middle of a COVID response, being prepared to change your mind and explain why, fronting up when things don't go right, knowing what you don't know or knowing that there are things you don't know.
And of course, the opposite is, as I say, the other HU word, hubris.
And you see hubristic leadership and you see humble leadership.
And actually,
I worked out when it's a crisis, you don't want the hubristic leader.
They can appear attractive on the face of it because they have simple answers to complex problems and they can appear confident.
But actually you want leaders who lead with humility, who will listen and take advice and
and will front up day in day out and be prepared especially when things aren't going so well to keep fronting up and so yeah humility was one that really was brought home to me through the pandemic.
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