Petra Bagust
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first heard Apr 2026
last heard 3 Jun
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And I'm like, wow, we don't think in the context of somebody else's life on another side of the world.
Yeah, a couple of observations there and just picking up on your latter point.
And again, I've just talked about this with the students at the University of Auckland.
If you look at what Oxford University developed, a stringency index.
And actually, if you look at the duration and intensity of the lockdowns,
overall, we were lower in stringency than many other countries, including Sweden, which was one that was highlighted as one that didn't resort to government mandates or lockdowns.
So that doesn't mean they didn't put, there weren't restrictions on their citizens.
And we had the best, I think, of both worlds, where we actually ended up with relatively shorter lockdowns.
As you've pointed out, there were many parts of the US where
children did not go to school for two years and people didn't go into their offices for a year or 18 months or longer but the second point I made of course we were all over it and especially once the vaccines were available and people went out and got vaccinated and they started to feel frustrated with the delays in achieving that high rate we did end up achieving and
which was important for everybody, but it was particularly important for our most vulnerable groups and our Māori and Pasifika population.
So there was grumpiness around that.
And on top of that, of course, was the sense of the Aucklanders that they were taking one for the rest of the country.
So we lost that sense of solidarity, which I'm not surprised about.
And also, maybe it's really hard for us to do stuff on behalf of vulnerable people.
Maybe when we don't value people, elderly people, ethnic minorities are traditionally not valued as much as the majority, then it's hard to take one for them.
It can be, although I think if there's a good explanation, and in particular our older people, because that's where most of the deaths occurred in other countries.
And of course there's been this sort of somewhat flippant view, well, they were going to die anyway.
Actually, there's some research that's just been published in the UK where they went back and looked at those that died and found that a significant proportion of them died.
on average, would have lived another five years.
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