Phil Kwok

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Talking Tokens: Crypto, Onchain Finance, Investing · Why Crypto Has a Brain Drain Problem | Dom & Phil Kwok · 30 Jul 2026 podcast

And meanwhile, you look at AI valuation and they keep on going up.

But I think that we are starting to see this change in answer to your question of what would it take?

I think that what it takes is prices to go up.

That's, again, more of a circular argument.

I think that ultimately they're going to come up as well just because we have more utility.

We have real use cases on chain.

And ultimately, I think the really, really important thing is that

AI right now is loved by many people, but it's also becoming very hated in a similar way to how crypto goes through these cycles of this love hate relationship.

I think crypto is probably one of the most hated things as well, but people are going to start to love it.

And especially as I think just at a much larger level, people are going to have this very strong

hatred towards AI, because in the short term, I think there's going to be a lot of pain that comes from AI with taking people jobs.

We talk about students, a lot of students love AI because they can use it, but they also really hate it because it's taken a huge number of entry level jobs away and they just have completely vanished.

And so I think that it's going to be this culmination of things which over the next couple of months is really going to seed itself within society.

And there is going to be the sentiment shift where I think people will realize that crypto ultimately was created for the people and is really one of the most exciting ways for people to get ahead and also just provides a lifeline for them in the degen speak, maybe to escape the underclass as well.

Yeah, I mean, it's a really good question.

I think just on the AI side, I think there's maybe the valuation side and valuations are obviously very high.

Maybe they'll come down a bit.

I think that in terms of usage, I don't think there's a usage bubble.

I don't think it's like everybody's using AI now today and then they're going to suddenly stop.

Definitely.

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