Philly McMahon

Or you had O'Shea kicking a few frees right on top of the arc for two-pointers.

and then you're mixing getting goals by kicking the ball inside and they didn't really have that variety yesterday they didn't they were kind of one dimensional whereas Donegal did you could see Donegal coming in from the sides taking goal opportunities I don't know how many goal opportunities off the top of my head they got last year in the All-Ireland Final

Donegal yeah very few like compared to obviously yesterday I can't think of one I don't think they had any you know so that variation flipped Kerry had that variation last year Donegal had it yesterday like you know we'll continue on with this chat just after this break

Did he still get hammered?

He has an impact of course he's that type of player he pulls the strings like does he link with David a little bit more yeah but like I'm telling you O'Connor's response to talking about them being you know lacking energy that's a manager saying no matter what happened there yesterday as a manager I couldn't put the Fires out there

You know, I couldn't do any changes tactically there.

I couldn't bring any players in off the bench there to make a huge change in the momentum of that game.

So he's saying, like, the players are just flat.

The players' energies were just flat.

And it can be fluffy and up there in the air, but that's what I would see the major thing from a manager point of view looking in going, well, what would you have changed there yesterday?

Even if you had Paddy Clifford, what would you have changed?

How would it have made a difference?

And the thing is, it's down to the players on the pitch, do you know?

So if you don't have the foundation of them getting the yards in, you know, making sure they're getting the tackles in, getting the hits in, like they did last year in the All-Ireland Final, well, then the rest doesn't really matter.

The personnel doesn't matter.

You know, it's... You could bring on...

David Clifford do and he'll give you if he was on the bench and he'd give you energy but he still wouldn't have changed the game there's no player that would change that momentum the way it was that's in my opinion I don't feel that it was one kind of chess move in the whole game there was so many fours to put out So you think if Pauly had started Finbar already might have started as well Yeah I think

I'd say if Kerry won yesterday, you'd be saying Kerry possibly are going to... Donny Gall give them a good rattle, but Kerry are going to probably be the favourites again.

Now you're saying there's loads of variables that feed into your answer.

It's one of those ones where you go, I actually don't know.