Pieter Levels
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first heard Aug 2024
last heard Aug 2024
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Like I put it on Nomad List in the cities as well. But I also realized you don't need to monetize everything. Some products are just cool. And it's cool to have hood maps exist. I want this to exist, right?
And also where do you put the ad, right? Like if you have a website, you can put like an ad box or you can do like a product placement or something. But you're talking about a map app where 90% of the interface is a map. So what are you going to do? You're going to like, like it's hard to figure out where is this.
No, exactly. Because if you make people pay for it, you lose 99% of the user base and you lose the crowdsource data. So it's not fun anymore. It stops being accurate, right? So you kind of, they pay for it by crowdsourcing the data, but then, yeah, it's fine. You know, it doesn't make money, but it's cool.
Yeah.
So Nomad List started because I was in Chiang Mai in Thailand, which is now like the second city here. And I was working on my laptop. I met like other nomads there and I was like, okay, this seems like a cool thing to do, like work on your laptop in a different country, kind of travel around. But back then the internet everywhere was very slow.
So the internet was fast in, for example, Holland or United States, but in a lot of parts in South America or Asia was very slow, like 0.5 megabits. So you couldn't watch a YouTube video. Thailand weirdly had like quite fast internet, but I wanted to find like other cities where I could go to like work on my laptop, whatever, and travel. But we needed like fast internet.
So I was like, let's, you know, crowdsource this information with a spreadsheet. And I also needed to know the cost of living because I didn't have a lot of money. I had $500 a month. So I had to find a place where like the rent was like, you know, $200 per month or something where I had, you know, some money that I could actually rent something. And, um,
And there was Nomad List, and it still runs. I think it's now almost 10 years.
I like how that one... I need to do that because the data sets are usually national. They're not on city level, right? So I don't know about the freedom of speech between Bangkok or Chiang Mai. I know them in Thailand.
Well, so it started crowdsourced, but then I realized that you can download more accurate data sets from public sources, like World Bank. They have a lot of public data sets, United Nations, and you can download a lot of data there, which you can freely use. I started getting problems with crowdsourced data where, for example, people from India, they really love India, and they would submit...
the best scores for everything in India. And not just like one person, but like a lot of people, they would love to pump India. And I'm like, I love India too, you know, but that's not valid data. So you started getting discrepancies in the data between where people were from and stuff. So I started switching to datasets and...
And now it's mostly datasets, but one thing that's still crowdsourced is, so people add where they are, they add their travels to their profile, and use that data to see which places are upcoming and which places are popular now. So about half of the ranking you see here is based on actual digital nomads who are there.
You can click on a city, you can click on people, and you can see the people, the users that are actually there. And it's like 30,000 or 40,000 members. So these people are in Austin now.
Yeah, so we have meetups. So people organize their own meetups. And we have about, I think like 30 per month. So it's like one meetup a day. And I don't do anything. They organize themselves. So I just... It's a whole black box. It just runs and I don't do a lot on it. It pulls data from everywhere and it just works.
Difficult to make friends. Interesting, right? I didn't know that.
I don't understand why it says not safe for women to check the data set. It's still safe. The problem with a lot of places like United States is that it depends per area, right? So if you get like city level data or nation level data, it's like Brazil is the worst because the range in like safe and wealthy and not safe is like huge. So you can't say many things about Brazil.
They don't have like normal- They have this weird desk, right?
Yeah.
Yeah, man.
Yeah, the booking fees, I feel it, right? I thought about this idea because we have the same problem. Like I go to hotels and there's specific ones that are very good and I know now the chains and stuff and... But even if you go, some chains are very bad in a specific city and very good in other cities.
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