Rachel Martin

And then I need to plan to sleep longer.

And it just takes up real estate in your head.

So how'd you get there?

You wheeled it out there to represent this massive weight loss.

And you're mirroring that with consistent exercise.

I couldn't believe in the book when you wrote this memory.

It wasn't just the guilt you heaped on yourself.

People were mean.

People were mean.

You did this interview.

It was your first interview on The Tonight Show.

Joan Rivers sat in as the guest host.

And she said on national TV that you needed to lose 15 pounds and you needed to do it now and you couldn't come back to the show until you did.

That is wild.

To just affirming what you already believed about yourself.

This was tied to your public identity, though, from the beginning.

Like in your first episode.

You know, you said, I'm Oprah Winfrey, this is the Oprah Winfrey Show, and you introduced this segment by talking about how your thighs were always problematic to you.

That clearly had been a choice, though.

You've been open about regrets around what you saw as your promulgation of...