Rahm Emanuel

Roosevelt was like that.

When you think about it, Teddy Roosevelt was like that.

The successful presidents, there's a dimension of communication to a wider public.

It's the only national office we have.

And so you've got to be able to speak to people where they are.

And both of them did it successfully, in my view.

And it was tested during their presidencies each time in a way.

You don't think so?

I don't think so.

Maybe I should share my reading list with you guys.

I think, no, that's true.

Look, one is you can't,

Let me get back to this other point we were using about the F-bomb and stuff.

People are saying, oh, Democrats should use that.

I said, well, that's performative then.

It's either natural or not.

And I think the power of both President Clinton and President Obama, remember, it wasn't exactly a linear line and they were perfect.

It gets tested at different moments and different stress levels in the presidency.

and different type of challenges.

But their communication and the sense of what people thought was in their heart, not just their head, is what sustains them when that presidency hits a valley.