Rahm Emanuel

And I mean, that was true

Using President Obama, I mean, in the low points of health care, and trust me, it's low.

We're in a dark valley.

People forget this while we're trying to negotiate the health care bill in the Senate.

President makes simultaneously a decision.

to expand a surge for Afghanistan.

And I said this jokingly, but it's true.

Those who were for our health care policy and wanted to see it pass were against the president's Afghan policy.

And those who supported him on Afghanistan were opposed to his health care.

And my, as you say, our job, Mr. President, is to make sure these two don't jump the tracks and converge and hit each other.

So his communication ability and people in the end of the day, while they may disagreed with him, trust him and trust his motivation.

And that communication to go from the family room to the classroom, to the boardroom, to the break room, to the situation room was important.

It was a piece of capital that you draw, even in the low moments.

Not even, most importantly.

Yeah, I mean, there's different moments.

Let me give one on a president moment.

Clinton, so he's at a very, very low point, loses the House and Senate in 1994, the midterms of his first term.

People are openly talking about he shouldn't run or somebody's going to challenge him in the Democratic primary.

Oklahoma happens, meaning the bombing in Oklahoma City.

President Clinton goes,