Ranjay Gulati

My gentle suggestion to Thomas is to learn to build a relationship with fear.

To learn to lean into that discomfort that comes with being uncomfortable, that comes with fear.

And to say, what is it that I really believe in?

What is important to me?

How can I do things that, whether it's a sport or it's an outdoor hobby or it's travel or something that...

It takes me out of my quote unquote, you know, cocoon.

It's like recognizing that something else is more important than just fear and giving in to our fears.

There's a defined line there, and what I would say the dividing line between those two is acknowledgement.

Bravery acknowledges the risk and chooses to act for a higher purpose or other beliefs or other factors that propel you to consciously take action.

Recklessness, on the other hand, ignores or minimizes the risk, often for the thrill or out of negligence.

Now his going back into the water, if there are big signs saying there are sharks out right now, today is not a good day to be out there and he still chooses to go out, I would say that's reckless, right?

But if he's back out in an ocean where there have been no sightings of sharks, it's a completely clear, that shows brave and he has decided that he will not let that previous experience

completely control his life.

Now, he happens to have bad luck and there happens to be a shark that day.

That's bad luck.

But I think recklessness comes in where, you know what, I'm just going to go out anyway.

I don't care.

That's a great question.

And in my book, actually, I make a distinction between risk and uncertainty.

Risk is where you know the probability of outcomes and you can put some numbers to it.