Ray Gutierrez

Yeah, talk about, like, you are a jack-of-all-trades.

Folks are going to take a good look at you and be like, ah, another artist.

No, dude, you're good with numbers.

You're good with the guff.

Talk about the montage of awesome that you are.

Talk about being in the kaleidoscope program.

We didn't talk a lot about we spoke about it briefly in the interview, but I wanted to I made a note because I want to talk about this.

What is this kaleidoscope?

It's funny that you mentioned brainstorming.

I just bought myself a digital notepad, even though we all have iPhones or digital devices.

But I want to separate myself from a device that is literally just on making money off of my eyeballs.

I just want to return to paper.

And it's just a simple device that feels like paper, writes like paper, and it just centers me in the moment.

When I was like... In Oklahoma.

Which I think is beautiful because I lived in Tulsa, Oklahoma.

It's beautiful.

And I lived in Tulsa for a year and then Sperry, Oklahoma for another year.

Coming from the Bay Area.

And it was just like...

California living to just serene Bible bell-like tradition.