Richard Barris

And he's yelling at them, too.

Don't you dare fill it in for me because I'm going to know we have a tracker in the state and I'm going to look.

And he wouldn't do it.

So no matter how many times Jim Messina and David Plouffe and all their organization knocked on his door, her signal was trash.

So the ground game could not take advantage of that.

So.

That's what happened.

And I think there's, again, I don't want to say there's a void.

Your turning point's going to be there.

But Charlie really did understand that, and you had to build on that.

And I just want to press that on people because I don't want them to forget.

You can't have one and not the other.

You have to have both.

And it has to be much more sophisticated than what it is now.

I got to tell you, I'm going to make some people angry over the RNC.

I really don't care.

when there was all of these beautiful AI tools that are being designed, especially for texting campaigns and peer-to-peer reach out, MMS.

Hilariously, Steve, the R&C basically thought that the cool thing about the AI is that they wouldn't have to have live agents all the time texting all those people.

They had no idea the harness, the true power of what that AI could do, which was real-time augmenting of your database, which they suffer from latency issues badly.

They didn't grasp it.