Richard Boyd Barrett

I don't believe the American company.

No, I don't actually, because American companies are here to make profits.

I don't think their investment decisions will be determined by our foreign policy.

I think that's frankly scaremongering.

Well, first of all, our obligations under the Genocide Convention and under international law and our commitment to human rights can't surely be based on whether we think there may be economic blowback.

I mean, I'm sure Barry wouldn't have said if there was any negative economic consequences of sanctions on Russia, we shouldn't impose them.

No, but I don't think...

Anybody has suggested that we should have considered the economic blowback when we were discussing and imposing sanctions on Russia.

Why would we consider the economic potential blowback, which, by the way, I think is exaggerated, when we're discussing sanctions against Israel for genocide, for apartheid, for ethnic cleansing?

for all the crimes that the regime is committing.

It'd be about 4.30, I would say.

And if the government vote against it, there'll be a protest next Wednesday before the vote.