Richard de Crespigny

And particularly, say, in the Hawke, Keating, Howard years, they had the most wonderful teams.

I think there's something.

Yeah.

They died a ditch for him.

Totally.

And they were great teams.

And very good at what they did.

You know, Hawke, Howard were amazing teams.

managing directors of the country with the most extraordinary team.

And that's what we lost in the latest prime ministers.

They get stabbed by their immediate juniors.

It's terrible.

This is what I'm saying.

These things about resilience just don't apply personally.

It applies right up nationally, and it's the same elements of resilience.

So knowledge, training, experience, teamwork, leadership, decision-making.

A lot of resilience comes from being prepared.

You look at all the threats, the risk, you build up your standard procedures, you build up your risk management profiles, you come up with a policy and your plans.

And so when something goes wrong, like a pandemic, hopefully you're prepared for it, right?

You just bring the team together and you action.