Richard Dolan

genuinely insatiable curiosity about pretty much everything I can imagine.

Certainly about this subject we've been talking about, but a lot of other things too.

And so as long as I have that, I'm happy.

I can explore things and learn new things.

I actually really get into that.

On the one hand, you want skeptical voices.

You always want skeptical voices on a study like that.

if nothing else look you have to have alternate opinions on uh on a body like that and it wouldn't it wouldn't be probably politically viable i'm going to guess if it didn't have some kind of skeptical position on there uh just i think that's probably the reality someone like schirmer i mean michael schirmer is a very intelligent guy uh but he as as anyone who follows

him as known, when you become a publicly

acknowledged person in your field it's very difficult actually to change your opinion publicly on almost anything because you develop your own audience and i say that for for people who believe in ufos like myself as much as anyone you you establish a kind of a public turf and uh and then you become kind of committed to that for my part i have always tried uh sometimes successfully sometimes not to break free of expectations that people have of me in my own beliefs

And I've gone through my own journey, my own road.

Michael Shermer is more established as a skeptic.

And I think he probably – I have a feeling and –

Well, I want to be careful what I say here, but I think a lot of skeptics privately are more open to this phenomenon than they may publicly say, because they have a public position that essentially requires them at this point in their lives to act and talk a certain way.

But I don't know that they all believe this.

I don't know about Schirmer per se, but it wouldn't surprise me if he actually, if you had a couple of beers with him off the record,

he might not saying I know this for sure, but it wouldn't surprise me that he might have a different opinion.

So I don't really know what I think about that.

What I think is important for a team like that is that it'd be genuinely multidisciplinary.

I suspect that it is.