Richard Hogan

So you're not coming in in a complete suit of armour, but at the same time, you're not swinging off the chandelier in the morning either.

That's exactly it.

Like there's a few people saying, no, there is one person saying, oh my God, if I had this information years ago, I'd be a different man.

So there you go.

There's a few people saying like this all sounds quite selfish and not giving a damn about other people and all that kind of thing.

Yeah.

It can be a very selfish trait.

It's me, me, me, not thinking of others.

And there's a good few texts actually about that.

Yeah.

Actually, the way you're framing it, it sounds like respect for yourself and respect for others.

Okay, that actually was a total reframing now of a thing that has become, as you say, this kind of toxic almost TikTok thing that was actually, I think, causing issues between people.

Absolutely, 100%.

That it's actually about something else.

And listen, there's so many texts actually.

You know, something we might come back to sometime is like that withdrawal thing.

People saying, I give the silent treatment, I vanish from friendships, says this person.

And they're miserable in it.

There's a lot of that kind of stuff about...

people withdrawing from people and all that kind of thing but listen uh terrific richard hogan thank you very much we'll take a break