Richard Miniter

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So, and it's, I loved, again, loved the opening of the interview.

It was so rich and so informative.

And what I think I would love to talk to you about is the role between news and censorship.

Because I was reading in pushback of This Is Wrong and PBS were giving me fake news, as it were,

But I was reading that particularly in Spain and Britain, that censorship, the moment the Gutenberg press started to be used, the moment it was used to challenge authority, was the moment the authorities, basically Crown and Church, went, I think we need to take a hold of this.

And it's such a good point.

And yet at the same time, I do have empathy for platforms like YouTube during the pandemic, where you had conspiracy theories like David Icke going, 4G causing COVID, for example, which we all know to be ludicrous, apart from a very sizable minority of people, some of whom burned down 4G towers or destroyed them or whatever else.

You know what's so interesting is that we went from the model you described until very recently, you know, that Roman model, which was here is the approved news, you know, we're going to give it to you and everybody else, you know, it's going to calm people down because they feel they've got the facts.