Richard Osman

And that, a very, very different group of people came up and talked to me in a very, very different way and a very interesting way.

So I've always, always been grateful I did that show and grateful I said some of the things I said and reached out to an audience who might not have heard that otherwise.

So that's always been my thing with Stephen Bartlett.

I sort of think...

Fair enough, and you can't deny that he now is enormously successful.

Then he went on Dragon's Den, which I do have an opinion on, which we will get to.

He is unbelievably good on Dragon's Den.

He's exactly what they need on that.

They didn't have a digital native on that, and he brings a completely different energy to it.

So he is somebody who I think has done extremely well.

He clearly has elements of being a chancer, but also he has elements of not being a chancer.

You know, he has followed through and he has made an awful lot of money in a very, very interesting way.

Now he is in this wellness world.

I think there are issues.

There are issues for our broader culture.

I think there are certainly issues for the BBC.

And it's also funny.

I just wanted to do that, just to sort of say, this is who this guy is,

This is why he is a tog.

Yeah, I don't want to hear about your dreams, your kids, or your wearables.