Richard Osman

Come on then.

I've yet to say a thing.

Talk to me about Zafar.

Well, what I think is this.

We're only talking about a talk.

I think people find him interesting as a figure.

I think people are not quite sure where he came from.

People are aware that he exists.

If you want to look up Stephen Bartlett, pretty much every single article you read about Stephen Bartlett is headlined, is this the end for Stephen Bartlett?

Is this the downfall of a CEO?

You know, the rise.

and fall of Stephen Bartlett.

Every single article is essentially wishing him ill, is essentially saying, this guy, we don't know where he came from.

He certainly didn't come through our conventional media routes.

And yet, he seems to have, for a very long time, pretended to be unbelievably rich, and via the medium of doing that, has become unbelievably rich, which seems to be unforgivable for almost anyone.

We'll talk a little bit more about him, because

Diary of a CEO did start sort of talking to businessy people, then started to be slightly more philosophical, I think for his own health and well-being is the way I read it, and now has gone into the world of wellness.

No, it's one of the biggest podcasts in the world.

I mean, it's probably, if we have, not in terms of the politics, but if we have a Joe Rogan in the UK, it is Stephen Bartlett.

Diary of a CEO, he started before lots of other people started.