Rick Strassman

you know, generate their own information that they're somehow transmitting to you.

Yeah, it's the question of how psychedelics work.

What are psychedelics doing?

I think psychedelics or the psychedelic state will play an important role in shaping this virtual universe that seems to be taking hold, entering.

Controlled Substance Act of 1970.

I think people were tripping hard even after they were illegal.

Right.

So you're pro legalization.

Yes.

It's a very interesting drug.

I was wondering if you've ever done Ibogaine.

I'm not sure if it's because of the drug or the belief in the drug.

The guy who first started to, you know, kind of popularize Ibogaine was a fellow named Howard Lotsoff.

Very cool guy.

Met him sort of during his late phase.

But he, like, as a young man, he was addicted to heroin.

And he heard about Ibogaine as a, tried to just trip on it and have some kicks.

Yeah, and he stopped, and he found himself just not using opiates anymore.

Wow.

Yeah, the origin stories for Ibogaine are really fascinating.