#2385 - Rick Strassman
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All day. This is a book I wrote 11 years ago. Oh, okay. I haven't gotten that one before. Yeah. It compares... Well, let's see. Are we going to... We're up. Yeah. Yeah. It compares the DMT state to the state of prophecy in the Hebrew Bible. Do you think they're the same thing? Well, the phenomenology is pretty similar. Like if you read Chapter 1 of Ezekiel, there's flames and there's angels and there's wings and there's eyes on the back of wings and there's roaring sound and blue ice above the person. He flies through space. Yeah, quite psychedelic.
Yeah, wheel within a wheel, the description of the things that people – usually they try to say that it's some sort of a UAP. That's the common thing that people like to say, right? Well, it could be. Which also might be connected. It could be a DMT vision though. Oh, easily. Yeah. Well, you know the guys out of Jerusalem that think that the whole burning bush thing was DMT.
Yeah. Well, that was the first theophany of Moses. Yeah. First time he had a prophetic experience.
Yeah. And I mean, it's like that's what it is. It's literally a plant that has high levels of DMT. And if you burned it and smoked it. It's kind of crazy that that's the way it comes. I really applaud you for learning ancient Hebrew so you could go back and read it. In the original tongue, which is really fascinating.
Didn't you say it took 16 years to learn it? That prophecy book took 16 years to write, and I had to learn Hebrew while I was reading and doing the writing. It's amazing. What's cool is the Hebrew word for bush, burning bush, is the same as Sinai, Mount Sinai. Really? Yeah, yeah. The word's the same? The same root. The thing about the Hebrew language, at least for biblical Hebrew, is every word is based on a three-letter root. So the word for bush contains those three letters, and the word for Sinai contains those same three letters.
and how is that significant like you know you could have that i'm sure there's english examples of three letters that are similar but completely different meaning like what why is why those three letters as a root connect these words uniquely
Well, it could be that bush grew on Mount Sinai, and that was the significance of the location of the burning bush.
Oh, I see. So it was literally named after that experience.
Could be. Could be, yeah. Well, you're talking about the acacia bush, which releases DMT when it's burnt. Yeah. And it's very common in that area, right? Yeah. In fact, there's a plant, it's a weed called Peganum harmala, which also grows in that part of the world. And it contains beta carbolines, which are the compounds responsible for making DMT, for making ayahuasca orally active. So they have their own ayahuasca plants available in tandem there.
Isn't it bizarre that you saying that to many people listening sounds utterly crazy? Like the proposition, just proposing that these people that were writing these things down a long time ago, these experiences, they were probably experiencing some sort of a psychedelic state. And they were trying to describe it.
Well, in thinking about psychedelic states back then and in the prophetic literature, you can think of the visions as being generated from the bottom up when you take something. In the model of the Hebrew Bible anyway, it all comes down from God. So it's a top-down vision. causal relationship between the source of the visions and the visions as opposed to them being generated by taking something. It's exogenous DMT versus endogenous DMT.
And If we tried to, what is the difference for your interpretation? I know you had read the English version of the Bible, but what is the difference between learning ancient Hebrew and reading it in the source language? What was it like for you? What made it different?
Well, I mean, it might be helpful to even go back to why I started reading the Hebrew Bible, of all things. Yeah. Well, when I was doing my DMT work, I was really involved with the Zen Buddhist community that I started affiliating myself with, learning from.
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