Rizwan Virk

And I think it's a big, big open question.

So in fact, I was asked to speak at this conference in Birmingham last year, which is an Islamic jurisprudence conference.

which is they were talking about when does life begin, when is ensoulment.

Same debate we have here about is abortion okay at the beginning?

When does the soul connect with the body?

And I said, well, I think let me offer you guys a different perspective on what ensoulment is.

If you think of it as a video game, it's the moment at which you've put on the headset and you forget everything.

everything that's been happening before, right?

And there was like an Ayatollah from Iran there.

It was pretty weird because I was talking about NPCs and video games and stuff, right?

But it was actually pretty well received, you know, but that is getting back to the idea that consciousness exists outside the body and when we inhabit the body, you know,

While we're here, except for flashes of insight and intuition or yogic states or perhaps ... I've never done DMT, but so many people have come to me and said, oh yeah, when I did DMT, I saw the lines, the grid lines of the simulation.

You can see that it's not real.

And so I don't personally have a lot of experience with that, but you start to see these states where they realize that something about the world isn't quite what it seems, whether it's through glitches, synchronicity, coincidence or ecstatic states or yogic states, you know.

And so how do you describe it then?

Can we pause here for a second?

Yeah, because I think I need to just take a quick break.

Bathroom, but also maybe get a little snack.

Go ahead.

Okay, let's do that.