Rizwan Virk

Okay, we'll pause.

Good transition point, actually.

Well, so the UAP phenomenon is interesting because it ends up being a lot of different things to different people, right?

And I know you've had some shows on this as well.

And this question comes up when you're talking about whether it's physical craft.

Or you're talking about things like the abduction phenomenon with beings that are stepping in and out of physical reality, like they're going through walls and stuff.

And it's an area that I think deserves more study.

There's been new projects at Harvard and Stanford over the last year.

or two, Avi Loeb with the Galileo Project.

They're taking a very scientific view of studying this, using new telescopes to try to get actual data on strange objects in the sky.

And at Stanford, you've got Gary Nolan's SOUL Foundation, which is studying maybe broader aspects, including policy, as well as the religious and social side of it.

And I know you've had Diana Pasolka on before, who talks a lot about the overlap between religion

and UAP.

One of the things that I found most interesting about UAP is that when you look at the reports, there's some that just are so bizarre that you don't know what to make of them, right?

And so I spent some time with Jacques Vallée, who, I don't know if he's been on the show.

He may have been.

But he's been studying UAP since the 60s with Project Blue Book.

Mm-hmm.

way back when and he was the for people that don't know him he was French guy in Close Encounters exactly he was the inspiration for the French guy right in Close Encounters and so you know he and I sat down a few years ago when I was trying to think about all this stuff and

He's a computer scientist by background actually.