Rizwan Virk

He really likes this idea that there's a simulated reality that could be accounting for a lot of this stuff.

He told me of some cases where there would be one person would look up and see the UFO and then the person standing next to them would not see the UFO.

Excuse me.

That begs the question.

Was it really there or not?

Was it somehow projected?

into physical reality.

So he told me about another case.

This was really interesting.

And he said there was a case in, I think it was Northern California or Southern Oregon, right?

So if you've been up there, you know, there's like these tall redwood trees or just pine trees.

And supposedly these witnesses reported this UFO came and it landed, it came at a 45 degree angle and it landed on the ground.

And supposedly there was some

residue or something that the UFO investigators were investigating.

Jacques likes to, just like you do with your long interviews, he likes to sit with people for a long time and then come back the next day and talk to them again and again to see if there's new things he can figure out.

Once all the other investigators left, he said, well, there's something I don't quite understand.

You said that it came down at a 45 degree angle.

And it landed here.

But that means it would have had to cut right through the trees.

And they said, yeah, that's what it did.