Rob Paston

You did two national insurance cuts at a cost of 20 billion and actually it was just an electoral bribe.

Nonsense.

And with me, Rob Paston.

She did.

I mean, literally days before she was forced out herself.

She brought him in to replace Kwate Kwate after the disastrous mini budget when we saw bonds plummeting, real risk that the government wasn't going to be able to borrow.

And actually, if you haven't yet listened to our three part series on the Truss debacle, it's still there.

It's still relevant.

Today, what we want to focus on is how to revive the economy.

I mean, Jeremy Hunt is somebody who was health secretary, he was foreign secretary, he was culture secretary, and then he was chancellor.

And so there are very few people, actually, who understand more about why governments find it so difficult to

to actually take the difficult decisions that are necessary to revive the economy.

Oh, I see.

And you didn't need to phone a friend?

Well, I would have been very shocked if you hadn't had the answer.

Well, how serious we're ever going to be.

But yeah, we try.

Now, I've read most of your book.

And as usual, it's extremely clear, very well set out.

But I'm going to start by quibbling actually with the title, because I just think Can We Be Rich Again is just totally the wrong title.