Rob Wiblin
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first heard Sep 2024
last heard May 2025
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In discussion of AI and cooperation, where people will point to ways that the advances in uh AGI could could lead to negative outcomes.
And then they conclude that, well, really, what we need is a solution to the commitment problem that you know, if we were able to solve this problem, that it's you you can't uh credibly commit to not use your future power to to oppress someone else.
Um if we could if could we could fix that issue, which has beguiled humanity since basically the beginning of history, then that would allow it, then that would get
But it's a bit like uh I don't know, appealing to a magic
It's like saying the
The problem here is that we don't understand where consciousness comes from.
And if philosophers could only solve a thing, you know, theory of consciousness and theory of mind, then then then we'll be in the clear.
Um, that's not really a strategy because it's unlikely that we would be able to actually solve this, solve this problem.
Have you noticed this uh as well?
Yeah.
It's a it's a very big, big prize if we can make it work.
In the paper you spend quite a bit of time talking about potential downsides of having more more cooperative AI, which I guess is yes, it's a virtuous thing to do.
What what what are some of the ways that it could backfire uh to to make AIs more cooperative?
Yeah.
I guess on that uh exclusion point, uh there's this uh famous quote, or is it democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding uh who to eat for lunch.
Where I guess like, yeah, w once you have a majority you can actually exclude others and then then extract value from them.
Yeah, I mean, I guess uh one reason that the mafia is such um a potent organization is that they've basically figured out how to sustain intense internal cooperation without the use of the legal system to enforce contracts and agreements and so on.
Uh by h I guess you know, having social codes and um uh screening people extremely well and things like that.
So I guess
The the natural way to argue that, I suppose, is to say, well, we've become better at cooperation over time as a as a civilization, as a species, and history in general has been or like well-being has generally been been getting better.
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