Rob Wiblin
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Um are there other arguments as well?
Yeah, I mean I guess some some people argue and and not and not for no reason that actually maybe wellbeing on a global level has gotten worse over the industrial era because although humans have gotten better off, uh the amount of suffering involved in factory in in factory farms is so large as to outweigh all of the gains that have been generated for for for human beings.
I guess I guess in that case the the the joke about two wolves and a lamb deciding uh who do who do eat for lunch uh is is is is quite literal.
I suppose that that it's an abnormal case because
uh, you know, uh pigs and cows are not really able to negotiate, they're not really able to engage in this kind of uh cooperation in the way that that humans are.
So maybe it's not so surprising that better cooperation among among a particular group uh might damage those who are like not actually part of any like not able to form agreements whatsoever anyway.
Yeah, I mean I know some people have painted a pretty grim picture here where cooperation, you know, if if you have lots of AGIs that are able to communicate incredibly quickly, to credibly make to to explain how they'll behave in future and make credible commitments to one another, um, and do this all super, super rapidly, then it's might be very straightforward for them to cooperate with one another.
They wouldn't be able to do the same thing with humans because we're not we can't commu we can't commit in the same way.
Uh we can't uh communicate uh at that at their
pace or with their level of sophistication.
And so naturally they would form a cluster that would then cooperate it super well to get all of the to extract all of the surplus and and exclude us.
Um
How how big a problem is this for the cooperative AI agenda?
This this ties in this this this other paper you're uh you were involved in writing um called Levels of AGI for operationalizing progress on the path to AGI.
Um I think uh it's a little bit of a mouthful.
So we've been referring to that paper as the what is AGI paper, which is a is a bit more catchy.
Yeah, what about the nature of AGI did you wanna point to in in that paper that you thought like many people were missing?
losing their job to alpha folks too.
I mean, it's an amazing thing about the structure of knowledge that I guess we we didn't necessarily know that before, maybe because I think in humans it's true that we specialize much more, that uh it's very hard to be the best poet and the best philosopher and the best chemist.
Um, but I guess uh maybe maybe when your brain can scale as much as you want, you have unlimited abil or like virtually unlimited ability to read all these different things.
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