Rob

It's got a bigger border.

Europe is rearming.

The negativity towards Russia is enormous.

I guess, is it possible that, if anything, the security concerns are more salient to Russia now, perhaps, than they were years ago?

Because they've accidentally, I guess, weakened themselves.

I guess the reason why I ask about the balance of motivations is that I think so much of the discussion about how to achieve a ceasefire is focused on the – like assuaging Russian security fears angle.

If in fact the biggest – like I guess it's a very centralized authoritarian country in a way where Putin's personal opinions unfortunately carry so much sway.

If he just literally is like –

incredibly motivated by absolute contempt for the notion of Ukrainian nationality and independence, then satisfying, like making pragmatic concessions on Ukrainian neutrality or bringing weapons back further from Russia's border, maybe that won't be the thing that will enable a ceasefire to get over the line.

So what are the main obstacles to a ceasefire deal right now in your mind?

And what are the elements you think need to be in it so we don't just set ourselves up for some other future disaster?

Yeah, I guess on the Ukrainian side, their reluctance to reach any ceasefire agreement with Russia is like largely based on the fact that I think they don't expect Russia to stick with it, right?

I mean, like Russia's torn up all of the previous agreements that they've had with Ukraine.

And it's an understandable suspicion that basically Russia will just take the opportunity to rearm, to refocus, to regroup.

And then whenever the time feels right to them to basically reinitiate the war and try to take more territory.

What strategy do you have in mind for assuaging that fear and indeed like making that outcome

less likely.

So the idea with the snapback guarantees is I guess that you might worry that Russia's strategy would be to like have a ceasefire for a bit to like weaken, I guess, the assistance that the West is providing to Ukraine.

And then they can restart the war and then we have to kind of reorganize ourselves and very gradually like ramp up the support for Ukraine again.

And at every point we have to like have the political debate again about whether we want to do the sanctions and whether we want to arm them with this and that.