Robert Hart

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The Vergecast · What's really open about open-weight AI? · 4 Aug 2026 podcast

Hugging Face said in their report, oh, well, we couldn't actually use US frontier models.

These safety rails activated

And then they said they turned to one of the leading Chinese providers, ZAI, for their model to help defend itself against one of the closed models that was attacking it, which kind of flips a lot of that on its head.

And so this debate has now really become, I mean, it is by definition a dual use technology.

It can be used to hack.

It can also be used to defend against hackers.

And so that's kind of been at the core of this now, is that for a long time, the fear has been it would be used as a weapon.

And funnily enough, the most high profile case recently is it's been used as a tool of defending.

Yeah.

And so that's, I think, why it has been so...

as an issue, it has so rapidly bubbled to the surface as something that's been simmering for a long time is because all of these tensions that were there suddenly became very real and very tangible in a way that ties together, as I said, all those fears with China, but also open versus closed.

And then also the risks of these closed models of what they are actually capable of doing.

Well, I think we'll see.

But I think we have to.

I mean, I think even the opponents have kind of, I mean, the one big one that has been to watch has been a lot of these kind of open letters you've seen from like the US tech industry, for example.

The notable holdouts, at least at the start, were the big three were Google, OpenAI, Anthropic.

To my knowledge, it's only Anthropic that's a continued holdout on that.

I might be wrong.

They might have signed since.

But Daria Amadei has also published a quite lengthy blog post explaining the reasoning and says that we're not against open models, but we cannot only have open models.

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