Robert Pape

It's a really interesting thing when you have multiple audiences.

And over time, so I've been an academic, but it's not only been an academic.

I've been in the public since 1991.

So a long time.

This is not my first rodeo.

Oh, no, it's not.

Many, many times.

And so I'm not where you guys live in the public.

I really still live in universities.

But nonetheless, you understand multiple audiences.

That's what these titles do.

And then aside from that Dartmouth College— Basically leadership decapitation of Saddam Hussein.

I know all about that.

And then also it was Pyongyang, so we're dealing with North Korea.

So this is deep discussions here.

Yes, and then I modeled, starting in 2005—

bombing of iran for 20 years so so this is a there there's a there's a lot of continuity with this work and then i've been adding layers to it over time so what what what does the average person because when you think about from the there's two things we experienced the last four years you know russia's going to attack ukraine okay russia's going to destroy ukraine it didn't happen

And I just went to Ron Paul's just this weekend.

I was at Ron Paul's –

conference uh down and off about an hour outside of houston just literally five days ago um i had dinner at his house on friday night his he's 90 years old he is firing the white heat he stood up