Robert Pape

Again, once you get into the difference, and this is what I do, once you get in the difference between, okay, so now let's say it's not 25%.

Now you're talking about what you call extremists or terrorists.

Well, then it's a question here of,

Do they have the guns?

And do they have enough acquiescence by the rest of the population?

That's the big issue.

So that's what happens when you have extremists.

So you can always find some one percenters, if you would, of extremists.

But they need a minimum 10 percent, probably 20 percent of others to at least go along and often support because they get killed.

they get killed.

No, it's more of what I would say in the case of Iran is you, well, what we've done is we've radicalized quite a bit of the 92 million at this point.

So this is not a case where Iran is just 1%.

But what I would say is that let's start with the 25% who are fighters once you start to get into this.

Then you will have, with the leadership, you're going to have thousands of extremists who are part of the

regime, the revolutionary regime, and that's because the Guardian Council over decades has has promoted those kinds of people here for off a political office.

That's because the Revolutionary Guard fought in the Iran-Iraq War where in order to survive in that bloody war, which I know you lived through part of.

Where did you live in Tehran?

Oh, I see.

I see.

I see.