Robert Pape

So Pahlavi.

Okay.

Very good.

So the, but you then.

And then you were, I think I heard, born in 74, if I remember right?

78.

78, so you were just about coming of age where you would have been paying attention.

Yeah, so the kind of fervor, once you're in a war of attrition like that,

The kind of fervor, the emotions here, and they're going in different directions.

I'm not saying it all points in one direction, but my God, these are emotional situations here.

Well, this is infecting more than just like five liters at the top or even a few thousand at the top.

It's seeping into large parts of society.

Now, maybe it's not seeping into 100%.

Again, you can also look at it as the fight or flight, but you are moving from that 1% of extremists, and you're deepening that pretty far down.

How far down, it's a little hard to say, but it's probably closer to 10%, 15%.

And they have the guns.

This is where you're not getting... If Iran was going to be knocked off relatively quickly...

here.

Actually, the time that it would have been most likely would have been when Saddam Hussein attacked right about a year after the revolution, because the revolution wasn't really fully consolidated yet.

As you know, there was a liberal part of the revolution that happened before the religious part of the revolution.