Robert Pape

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2,835 appearances 10 recordings 4 series first heard Mar 2026 last heard 30 Jun

Robert Pape’s voice in public audio — every appearance, attributed to the second.

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Israel thought it was going to be the replacement rising power.
Well, these three states just simply don't agree.
That's the escalation trap in a nutshell.
Well, first, it's important, I think, for your audience to know that John's office is literally right next door to mine at the University of Chicago.
I'm John's first PhD student, so I got my PhD in December 1988.
Two of us went through, Mike Desch, Bob Pape, so maybe I'm the second one if it was done alphabetically.
But the bottom line is I've known John since September 1982.
I started as a PhD student at the University of Chicago.
He was a first-year assistant professor.
So needless to say, John and I know each other really well, and I highly respect John's views.
So I think there's a couple things to say.
What does it mean to return to a full resumption of the war?
Iran is not looking for a full resumption of the war.
It wants to keep the oil flow under its control, and it only needs to use small amounts of force in order to make that happen.
For Trump, to go back to a full bombing campaign, there's a real operational problem I just posted before I came on on my escalation trap substack, which is Saudi airspace.
You see, right now, there's something like 8,000 Pakistani troops and
jet fighters, also a squadron in Pakistan, and they've been there for over a month, according to Reuters and others.
And what that means, that corresponds to when Trump wanted to do that, remember, he wanted to have a certain operation, Operation Freedom.
It got shut down because Saudi Arabia, well, this is Saudi airspace.
So there's going to be a real operational limit
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