Robert Pape

And that's why I'm being very upfront.

You asked me here, and I'm telling you something.

You push hard.

No, I don't always vote for the – I don't always – there are times when I do just sit it out, and I don't like it because –

i wish there but this is what keeps me up i'm not going to comment you've heard me you've heard me go pretty far down this road sitting this one i would have been a good one if you were going to vote for come i don't know i i hear you i hear you let me just also say i was um uh very much not just uh in a mind so i advised the biden white house um

uh, probably a dozen times, uh, here, the West wing president, the West never, never spoke to Biden himself, but always on the West, always in the West, but the West wing and half in person, half on zoom, because there was also COVID.

Um, and, um, uh, and just to be clear, I was never a supporter of the open borders.

Um, and I thought, uh, uh, and not just thought in vague way, um,

This was adding to the fuel of the fire that's happening inside the country.

So when you see the book that comes out, and it's going to come out called Our Own Worst Enemies, you're not going to see me just say, oh, sure, if you had just voted for Harris, this would have all worked out.

If you voted for Trump, it was all going to work out.

What you're going to see me explain is our country has now got, at a minimum, four parties.

And they have two radical wings.

And those two radical wings are taking turns here and spiraling in ways that are breaking the country apart.

And we can't just keep doing that.

So that's what you're also seeing here in my personal behavior is that I cannot really get behind

Let's just destroy the country a different way because then I could maybe have a cabinet office.

No, that's not happening with Professor Pape.

Professor Pape just is completely comfortable and actually honored.

to be in the position.