Robert Pape

So this is what people are saying.

Well, should they make the concession with DHS –

We need to get above this a little bit.

And that's where President Trump was going.

He wasn't on that night.

And on the 60 Minutes interview, he was not talking about, I want this particular concession.

He was looking forward in big picture way here that presidents do, that leaders do, not that staff do.

So staff are going to come at you and say, get that deal, get that deal.

That's not what he was doing.

And I really believe maybe there's still an opening here.

I hope this week hasn't closed it off.

But you can see how quickly the angry politics, I call it violent populism, is coming back in.

And I really believe that's something we need to understand.

There was an important olive branch there.

And by the way, with President Biden, one of the things I was doing a lot was I was showing the data on our surveys on support for political violence in the United States.

And I was making the argument and he and his people did.

And he gave the speeches that certain the way his rhetoric had to change.

that he gave a speech, a famous speech with red behind him called the Philadelphia speech.

And I specifically was arguing for a different approach.

And then with these assassination attempts, first the Pelosi attempt, which was just before the midterms, and then with the President Trump attempts here twice –