Robert Pape

And the other thing I learned is that very few people from America have gone to China since COVID.

So before, in the last, say, the University of Chicago, we opened our Beijing Center about now almost 20 years ago, 18 years ago.

We have a Hong Kong Center.

It was really the thing to do, the fad, if you were in universities around the Olympics.

The Olympics started all the universities, Stanford, you know, et cetera,

open these centers in China, a lot of them in Beijing.

Well, what happened with COVID, and there's also we're mad at China because of COVID, I understand, but people stopped going.

And so the amount of tourism in general has gone way down.

That's right.

I went to the Wuhan lab.

I actually went to the area that it was there.

I took pictures of it and so forth.

So I have a – I do have a better understanding of where the market was versus where the lab was.

How far is it?

What is it?

Oh, it's only a couple miles away.

It's a very – you could –

I don't think we've really gotten to the bottom of this with the public information.

I haven't seen that story, but just in the more basic level, Patrick, after Pearl Harbor, let me put this in my context.

After Pearl Harbor, we had an intelligence failure.