Robyn Malcolm

And she's got this brilliant sort of mop of grey hair.

And she never wears makeup.

In fact, every now and then she tries to put lipstick on, but it's really bad.

And she's just...

so brilliant she's such a great I think leader for all of us because she's right up here and she just doesn't give a fuck and she's so I think she's so beautiful because of all of this you know it's like when she frowns she really frowns and when she smiles her whole face cracks open you know and she's constantly got a sense of humor about herself I don't think she ever takes herself seriously

Have a look at her.

Oh, my God, if you could get her, if you could interview her.

I'll try.

Yeah, because it's that right.

You look at that face and you go, that's alive and that's a lived face.

Whereas this, not only can I not tell whether you're – what you're feeling –

Right now, I don't know what sort of person you are because I can't see what life you've led.

It's just, it feels, I don't, I mean, clearly there are others who feel differently, but I don't equate that with any kind of beauty.

I think also it's a kind of a reflection of, you know when you see people...

they've come in after a really big walk in the hills or they've come in from working in the garden or they've just had a great shag or they've, you know, or they've just seen something, you know, and their face is flushed and their eyes are bright and they're shiny and it's got nothing, but it's got nothing to do with this.

It's like there's blood pumping and that's about health and that's about a body that's been lived in and that's, you know, and isn't that what we're going for?

It's hilarious though because I can't remember what I was doing.

I had to do one of those written little Q&A things for a magazine and one of the questions was, what's your guilty pleasure?

And I went, oh, it's makeup.

I own so much makeup.