Rochelle Keyhan
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first heard Apr 2025
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Yeah, because Rico requires like more than one guy, you know? So, I mean, not necessarily to be charged, but by its nature, it means they've found some others.
It can, absolutely. And I think that's why often prosecutors are stressed when civil stuff gets filed because the civil attorneys don't necessarily care how it affects the criminal. So I think often the hope is when you're collaborating that civil will wait to really push hard and forward until after the criminal is complete.
So I think that there's a lot that can manifest after sort of like all the chips fall and we know who the co-conspirators are that are confirmed. I think it will open up a lot civilly.
I think it helps a lot. Maybe less on P. Diddy's because I think he identified as a pimp a lot. You know what I mean? We're not surprised by his. And one good piece on P. Diddy's that it's really highlighting is it looks like their girlfriend because that's how they're grooming them. That's how they're building their trust. before they get it done. So yeah, it does look like their girlfriend.
And the girlfriend might not even realize that this guy doesn't love them at all. And it's just the form of control that's present. And it's humanizing, I think, victims that otherwise you could just say, well, why didn't they just leave their abusive relationship? It's really giving more depth to our understanding as a community.
So I really wish these high profile people weren't doing it, but it makes a lot more people pay closer attention, which is amazing, I think, for us That's why I'm having hope that the jury just knows better now than they did 10 or 15 years ago.
Yeah, but it's a lot less scary if we're like, oh, it's a boogeyman. It's out of our control as opposed to my best friend or my uncle or my dad could be the one, you know?
Yeah.
Absolutely. So prosecutors are often charging the highest, most comprehensive charge that they can find. So in this case, trafficking is the bigger charge, even though underneath it, it's going to have assault, sex assault, all kinds of other felonies as well.
And that lets them make sure they have strong enough penalties, but still present like a clear, cohesive picture, tell a clear story that doesn't get distracted by other clauses they have to prove for charges. So it's a great strategy from that perspective. And then, yeah, what's tough is not all the evidence they have then gets to fit into that narrative. And you're making a tradeoff here.
Like if I tell this cohesive story with this really damning evidence that I have, the odds are good we're going to win. But what does that mean for these six victims that might not fit in and might get excluded? And what does that mean for if this witness goes off the rails for the main charge and I don't have these other charges to fall back on? now what's my strategy?
And it really is like high level chess that you're playing here on like, what's going to get the best outcome here. So while I'm highly critical of prosecutors all over the US that I think are not going hard enough on the organized crime piece of trafficking, I also really understand that there's a lot of complexity.
And granted, this is a federal trial, but it's in a district that had that Weinstein case and had that case law happened. And so these judges are still a lot of, there's like a lot of that influence on that's what the region here handles things as. So they have that political stuff to navigate that we're not even always aware of as well. So yeah, I think that's an important thing to flag.
Like prosecutors can always improve and always do better, but it's not a simple thing that they're improving on. And actually every time it's completely different because the human variables are always changing.
I think the stakes are very high because if this prosecutor loses the case, it's going to be really bad. Because when you see someone that we all know has been doing various levels of interpersonal violence for a while, it's been part of pop culture. They joked about it. It wasn't a hidden thing. And if they just can get away with it,
I think that's going to be a very chilling impact on victims coming forward and people having trust in the system that's I think already really teetering on not having sufficient trust around the right outcomes coming for victims. So I think there's a lot at stake here.
And I do think if there is a conviction, hopefully it gives justice to these victims and really brings a reckoning for the criminal justice system. Like, why did, had we handled this 15 years ago, how many dozens, hundreds of victims would not have suffered from it? You know, like how many would have been spared had we thought about this and done this right a long time ago?
And what can we do in the future to be doing this more proactively and efficiently and sooner? Hopefully we get that reckoning and not the further backslide of a lost verdict.
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