Rodger Sherman

Josh Allen.

Oh, sure.

You do that, split the baby of it.

It's that situation.

So next year, when Trevor wins the MVP, they'll give the offensive player of the year to, I don't know who.

Kenneth Gainwell, probably.

Absolutely.

James Madison, speaking, unfortunately, of participation awards.

James Madison is my G5 FCS slash other divisions team of the year.

Quite frankly, broke the discourse of the sport for me.

three or four weeks.

Obviously Duke had a lot to do with that too.

And why I think that you can sort of kind of give Duke the award, but James Madison, because they actually pulled it off, got to the college football playoff the way that they did one loss be to Louisville close early in the season and made their run at incredible.

You know, we talked, who's the next Kurt Cignetti all the time.

You guys did an episode about it.

you would argue that James Madison has had two Kurt Cignetti's.

Now, we'll see if Bob Chesney wins a national championship at UCLA in his second year, but JMU has...

I guess kind of made fools or been part and parcel of making fools of me and Alex in our continued dogged opinion that it's hard to come up and have any immediate staying power and sticking power.

James Madison is one of the handful of teams that have done it over the last decade, come up with over the last decade and have that immediate staying and sticking power.

And James Madison, you would argue, uh,