Rohin Shah

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80,000 Hours Podcast · #245 – Rohin Shah on what it's really like to run AGI safety at Google DeepMind (and where I disagree with 'doomers') · 2 Jun 2026 podcast

But I would say that it just won't work.

Well, mostly I would say that like...

If you think of what a commitment is, it's like roughly, I'm imagining here is something like the company puts out a blog post that says, we commit to doing X. There are other ways that you could try to make commitments, but that I think is the one that people are usually imagining.

I just think that like, if in fact you imagine that the company is trying to now get out of this commitment in the future, it totally will just be able to do that.

There are examples of this in the broader world, not just in AI, but even if you look at AI in particular.

I think Anthropics RSP, for example, the responsible scaling policy, the first version I think was really quite strong and said a lot of stuff about using the word commit.

We commit to do X, we commit to do Y. I don't actually remember the exact details, but I think many of them in future iterations of the

responsible scaling policy, they like removed that wording and replaced it with something less strong.

And so, you know, despite adding those words there, I think it was like, you know, in fact, they did not actually tie themselves to the mast.

I think this is good.

I think that it was a mistake to have added such strong language to the RSP in the first place.

I think probably much of the stuff that they removed, it's good.

It makes them more effective at their goals, including at safety and responsibility.

But empirically, it's a good example of how, in fact, they did not actually tie themselves to the mast.

And I think that is just how it's going to be for the companies, at least in the current political climate.

I think Google has actually been doing better on this, where the first frontier safety framework, people argued that it was weak and unambitious and that it never used the word commit in it anywhere.

It was much more accurately reflective of like what Google was actually going to do in the future.

And so I think in that sense, it was better and gave a better sense to the public of like what is actually going to happen in practice.

This is one place where I do actually trust Google more than Anthropic or OpenAI for that matter.

Even not just commitments, just anything that they say that they're doing, they're paranoid about it.

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