Rohin Shah
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Or the rule will be so stringent as to apply like really huge costs to the companies and that just won't fly in today's political climate.
Also just seems a bad idea to me.
Yeah.
I kind of disagree with the frame of the question.
So the literal answer is our role is advisory.
Like if we make a recommendation and other decision makers such as Sundar disagree with it, Sundar's decision is the one that will matter.
But this is a question that bakes in the frame that we are adversaries of the company.
We need to have hard power, some sort of veto that enables us to make the right decision regardless of what the rest of the company thinks.
And I think this is just not a good or healthy model for how things should work inside of a company.
I see my job as...
making sure that I can create, well, making sure that I am producing and providing the right information such that decision makers can make the right decisions.
And so like, yes, the role is essentially advisory, but
But the way that it works is if I think that there's something wrong, I will escalate it to my manager, Anca.
So Anca started out as the head of safety and now is co-lead of Gemini post-training, so has a significant amount of influence and power.
And if she agrees with me, then she will escalate it one step further and just make a recommendation not to launch the model.
Yeah.
So I guess...
Maybe I would say that it's better for them to model the company as apathetic.
I think you can have a more detailed model which isn't actually apathetic, but it's maybe a bit more complicated.
So to go into the more detailed model, I would say that...
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