Ronan Farrow

He talks about having had some problems with this.

He doesn't just pretend that this doesn't exist around him.

He talks about changing over time.

He talks about the deep roots of feeling like a people pleaser, which, you know, I understand.

But I think he is reckoning now anew with the costs of that when it's taken to an extreme.

immense.

One of the things that we talk about is Sam had both positive and negative arguments he used to buoy this company.

We've talked about how he marshaled people's fear.

He also really rallied people around the optimistic projections of what this technology is going to be.

And there are blog posts from him in recent years where he talks about, you know, we're

Right on the cusp of maybe even have cleared the event horizon is one term he uses.

Well, a trajectory that will bring us very imminently to not only artificial general intelligence, but a further development beyond artificial superintelligence.

And in turn to he itemizes, for instance, you know, curing cancer, traveling to other planets, essentially capturing the light cone of all economic value.

And he does, for instance, he appears to believe it, and he advocates for universal basic income as a part of this future.

But when we asked, for instance, what do you think about all of these economic projections that hold that so many jobs are going to be disrupted by this, the reflection and the grappling with it was not, in my view, terribly decisive.

deep you know he does believe or seem to believe as he says them all of his optimistic projections but then he also says it's a bubble

At the same time.

And so it's like, how do you... He basically on the joblessness and the risk of a bubble, you know, he says, well, actually, it's just going to make everything better.

Everyone will have access to chat GPT.

That's going to allow people who are unemployed to, I mean, I'm paraphrasing broadly, but essentially it's going to allow for more startup creation and that's going to help everyone.