Rory Stewart

What I would say is that that kind of middle of the road remain voting pro-business Tory who went over to Labour in the general election will have been tempted to come back towards the Tories.

And certainly will not be excited by Labour.

I'm not going to vote Reform.

Yeah.

And I've actually got some polling in our WhatsApp group coming in here.

All right.

So coming in our polling.

Yeah, so Andy Burnham, 72%, Angela Rayner, 16%, Wes Streeting, 11%.

Remember, this is the people who happen to be watching our podcast.

Who's most likely to win a general election?

Nigel Farage, 66%, Keir Starmer, 21%, Zach Polanski, 8%, Kemi Badenoch, 5%.

Those are the current leaders.

who is the biggest winner of this local election two minutes ago, Reform 88% Green 12%.

Look, this is not a national polling.

This is people who are interacting with us live.

But it's interesting.

So just to sum that up, they basically think, regardless of what you and me say, Reform's done very well and that it feels like

the next prime minister is likely to be Nigel Farage.

Five-party system, six-party system.

Very good.