Rory Stewart

I mean, my guess is, hanging on to Theresa May,

probably wouldn't have worked.

They brought in Boris Johnson.

I mean, I happen to think, you know, obviously a terrible human being, terrible prime minister.

Won an election against all the odds.

You know, when I was running against Boris, the basic story was winning that 2019 election would be very, very difficult.

He managed it.

Again, they couldn't leave Boris in.

It was the right move to get rid of him.

Partygate, scandals, the incompetence around him.

Check him out.

Nor could they leave those trusses for goodness sake.

So they had to move.

Now, it didn't work for them because unfortunately, Rishi Sunak got many, many talents, but he wasn't.

a great communicating, strategic, big thinking prime minister.

But the other option, which I call the Biden option, which is to be so aware of all the risks and the difficulties involved in getting rid of the leader, that you stick with someone who clearly cannot be your long-term leader, can't be the answer.

You didn't tell us this actually.

No, they don't know.

Look, of course, you're right.

And I'm I'm it's all very well.