Rory Stewart

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The Rest Is Politics · 561. How Trump’s Chaos Keeps Splintering the World Order · 11 Aug 2026 podcast

And that's something that I think should really worry Washington. voice-verified

Over to you. voice-verified

So what it doesn't yet have is what made NATO more than just an alliance of countries, makes NATO an integrated fighting force. voice-verified

And I won't get into all the jargon of the different NATO systems and structures that do this. voice-verified

One of the most famous is a headquarters system called Shape, but essentially what this is about is making sure that you really work together under a supreme allied commander to coordinate voice-verified

Where your priorities are and make sure this country is providing the trains, that country is providing the troops, that you're working out how many munitions you've got, making sure that the caliber of rounds that your rifle's running on are consistent right across all the NATO countries. voice-verified

That's the really complicated, almost software of the system that operates in these headquarters systems that makes NATO so formidable. voice-verified

So far, we're not seeing any of that really out of the Saudi Pakistan. voice-verified

Pakistan, Turkey thing. voice-verified

And then as you've just said, the big trigger points where the conflicts are likely to come from are conflicts where it's not quite sh clear that everybody's absolutely aligned. voice-verified

So Turkey and Pakistan have been much more, let's say, soft on Iran than Saudi. voice-verified

I mean obviously Pakistan's been doing the negotiations with Iran. voice-verified

Yeah. voice-verified

So they're not likely to be leaning up to protect voice-verified

Saudi against Iran. voice-verified

Saudi's unlikely to want to be drawn into a war with India. voice-verified

And and of course this Indian point suggests another strange pattern that's emerging because Israel has developed its own alternative network of allies, which are India, Greece, Cyprus, and potentially increasingly UAE. voice-verified

as well as some of the the states such as Somaliland that are emerging in the Horn of Africa. voice-verified

There again, it's not burden sharing, it's splintering into these funny regional groups and raises questions. voice-verified

Here's a couple of questions that I got from talking to people in the region. voice-verified

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