Rory Stewart

But the other option, which I call the Biden option, which is to be so aware of all the risks and the difficulties involved in getting rid of the leader, that you stick with someone who clearly cannot be your long-term leader, can't be the answer.

You didn't tell us this actually.

No, they don't know.

Look, of course, you're right.

And I'm I'm it's all very well.

I'm sitting here in this.

strange, beautiful studio I noticed with three of your books and only one of mine behind me here.

Yeah, that's right.

It's a percentage point, isn't it?

So you're completely right.

It will feel brutal.

And you're totally right that the two main reasons this doesn't happen is people are very worried about who these alternative candidates are.

Are they going to be any good?

Which is what I would call the, you know,

the issue around Gretchen Whitner or the issue around Kamala Harris, right?

And the second thing, which is the boss himself doesn't want to go, which is what I call the Joe Biden problem.

Biden doesn't want to go.

Historically also, let's add to that, that Labour has historically been much less good at getting rid of leaders than the Conservatives.

We're going to say, you mentioned, hold on to Jeremy Corbyn for years, right?

So I can see all that.