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Rory Sutherland

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The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

That's why the two models are super interesting.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

One is working, but has lots of structural cost issues.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

One is not quite there yet, but if it works, you just run the table.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

You're exactly right, Jason.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

If it gets there, they have infinite search.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

Which would you rather bet on?

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

But the problem is you are paying, again, going back to my comment, you're paying about a trillion dollars on top of the car company for some combination of the robo company and the robot company.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

And that's just a lot of excess premium, where it looks like for $110 billion, you can get your action on the Waymo table clean.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

If those are the two prices, you might do Waymo at the margin.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

But that's a price comment, not a, oh, my God.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

The real problem is this, without question, Harry, and I've been thinking about this, because you've got to have it on the SpaceX discussion too.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

The real problem is there's no rational analysis you can do on an Elon stock.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

You just never get to pencil it out.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

Because 50% to 70% to 80% of the value being some kind of Elon will figure it out premium.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

Like even SpaceX.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

I mean, let's just go there.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

You know, I think it was 15 billion and 24 and 18 or 19 billion and 25 profitable.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

Nice growth at scale.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

But, you know, call it 20 billion growing 30 percent.

The Twenty Minute VC (20VC): Venture Capital | Startup Funding | The Pitch
20VC: SpaceX Completes Acquisition of xAI | The 2026 SaaS Massacre: Public Market Collapse | Microsoft's $360 Billion Market Cap Loss | NVIDIA's $100BN Investment Dispute with OpenAI | Waymo Raises $16 Billion at a $110 Billion Valuation

Jason would spit on 30 percent if it was a SaaS company.