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Rory Sutherland

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The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

You're using tech pros as like a... No, no, no.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

It's perfectly reasonable to say that the people who work in this field are not representative of the whole human population.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

That's a reasonable assertion.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

What is it you're representing when you say tech pro, though?

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

Anybody in a tech industry, just as anybody in advertising, myself included, is overweighted towards a belief in the ability of advertising to solve all problems.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

And I will truly admit that I am guilty as charged.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

However, ad people don't get that much opportunity to convince other people of the rightness of their argument.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

What has happened is that in marketing, for example...

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

The tech companies, the consulting firms that sell stacks.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

And I owe a lot of this to a guy called Adel Borki, very interesting self-taught Libyan marketing writer, former boxer.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

Adel Borki, and I coined the phrase technoplasmosis by analogy with toxoplasmosis, which is tech people and consultants have taken over the finance department so that the marketing metrics the finance department uses

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

has faith in and demands from marketing are not those metrics which are most conducive to building brand and customer value over time.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

They're the metrics which are most conducive to selling tech solutions to the companies.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

What are the metrics that are?

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

Well, it's all about short term transactional, bottom of the funnel, click through, you know, how can you shovel money to meta in a slightly more efficient way?

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

It's not about long term value creation at all.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

Now, don't get me wrong, all that bottom of the funnel, short-term transactional stuff is very important to get right.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

I'm not disparaging it, but it's only a third of the game.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

Right.

The Knowledge Project
How to Think Like a World-Class Marketer | Rory Sutherland

And they're not interested in the other two-thirds of the game because they don't make money if someone spends money on their call center or, you know, upgrades their call center staff or allows the call center staff to call out.