Rory Sutherland

And so...

And describing and vilifying an opinion which is held by a fairly large swathe of the population, regardless, by the way, the rights and wrongs of the whole thing, I'm not even getting into this now.

It's deeply dangerous because people go, well, if that makes me far right, it looks like I'm far right.

I mean, insulting, calling people deplorables is a terrible, terrible way of getting deplorables to gang up against you.

And then people don't speak up.

Like give an example on this debate, which changed my mind a bit.

A very, very good Oxford economist called Paul Collier wrote this economically balanced assessment of general migration and pointed out that on both sides of what you might call the balance sheet, it was immeasurably more complicated.

For example, if Nigeria trains doctors who then immediately hoof it to the United States,

How is that possibly a good thing overall in that a poor country trains doctors who move to a rich country which arguably has enough doctors from a country which doesn't have enough?

That's not, you know...

You have to... I guess it depends on how you frame it, right?

I agree.

All Collier said is, look, this is inordinately more complicated.

It is.

One of the things he said is the right, for example, of recent immigrants to family reunification is a bit dubious because you're giving someone a right which the native population do not have.

So I can't pick five Canadians and get them British citizenship.

And also, it should be decided by someone other than human rights lawyers.

Oh, yeah, definitely.

I would probably agree.

Because, you know, fundamentally, as a branch of the law, that is not a partial law.